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Can hate speech law in Scotland target Christians? + Religions & total solar eclipses

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Awe and dread: How religions have responded to total solar eclipses over the centuries
https://apnews.com/article/eclipse-relig...78f3d05914

INTRO: Throughout history, solar eclipses have had profound impact on adherents of various religions around the world. They were viewed as messages from God or spiritual forces, inducing emotions ranging from dread to wonder.

Ahead of the total solar eclipse that will follow a long path over North America on Monday, here’s a look at how several of the world’s major religions have responded to such eclipses over the centuries and in modern times.

Buddhism: In the Tibetan Buddhist tradition, it is believed that the energy of positive and negative actions is multiplied during major astronomical events such as a solar eclipse....

[...] Christianity: Some Christians have believed that an eclipse portends the coming of the “end times” that will precede Christ’s return to Earth as prophesized at various points in the Bible...

[...] Hinduism: The origin of eclipses in Hinduism is explained in ancient legends known as puranas. In one legend, the devas and asuras, who symbolized good and evil respectively, churned the ocean to receive the nectar of eternal life...

[...] Islam: In Islam, a solar eclipse is a time to turn to God and pray. The eclipse prayer is based on narrations of sayings and actions of Prophet Muhammad...

[...] Judaism: The Talmud — the collection of writings compiled more than 1,500 years ago that constitute Jewish religious law — offers specific blessings for many natural phenomena, but not for eclipses. Instead, it depicts an eclipse as “an ill omen for the world...” (MORE - missing details)


Could new hate speech law in Scotland target Christians?
https://www.osvnews.com/2024/04/04/could...hristians/

INTRO: Church leaders have expressed concern that some passages in the Bible or the Catechism of the Catholic Church could be deemed offensive under Scotland’s new Hate Crime and Public Order Act and that “vexatious” complaints under the law are now likely.

The Hate Crime and Public Order Act that came into force April 1 creates a new offense of “possessing inflammatory material,” which in the judgment of a police officer could “stir up hatred” on the grounds of age, disability, religion, sexual orientation and gender identity.

David Kennedy of the Scottish Police Federation said the new laws will require officers to assess “emotive” subjects and “will cause havoc with trust in police in Scotland.”

During the pre-legislative scrutiny phase in the Scottish Parliament in Edinburgh, members of the Scottish bishops’ conference expressed deep reservations. In a 2020 submission to the Justice Committee where the then-draft law was being discussed, the prelates warned that any new law must be “carefully weighed against fundamental freedoms, such as the right to free speech, freedom of expression, and freedom of thought, conscience and religion.”

The Director of the Catholic Parliamentary Office Anthony Horan insisted that “whilst acknowledging that stirring up of hatred is morally wrong and supporting moves to discourage and condemn such behavior, the bishops have expressed concerns about the lack of clarity around definitions and a potentially low threshold for committing an offense, which they fear, could lead to a ‘deluge of vexatious claims.'”

“A new offense of possessing inflammatory material could even render material such as the Bible and the Catechism of the Catholic Church … inflammatory,” he said... (MORE - details)

Video below is only a related example of such scenarios. It was released by The Telegraph circa a month before the bill came into effect on April 1st. And was shot in London, not Scotland.

Met Police officers threaten to arrest Christian preacher over hate crime allegations ... https://youtu.be/UxoTbIxr7Vs

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/UxoTbIxr7Vs
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Zinjanthropos Offline
One conclusion…Scotland’s police officers are nowhere near being paid enough to make the judgement call. It’s being dumped on them and judicial system to figure it out.
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(Apr 5, 2024 06:42 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: One conclusion…Scotland’s police officers are nowhere near being paid enough to make the judgement call. It’s being dumped on them and judicial system to figure it out.

Back in the day someone had the idea that making a law you couldn't enforce was a very foolish thing to do - I think this hate speech law falls neatly into the suggested 'foolish and unenforceable' category.
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Magical Realist Offline
Note to self: If you suddenly find yourself worried if your religious texts and sermons might fall under hate speech laws, maybe its time to reconsider your religion.
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Syne Offline
If you suddenly find yourself against the basic freedom of speech, maybe it's time to assess whether you're a fascist.
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Zinjanthropos Offline
What is free speech anyway? Is it reading to an audience from a manuscript not of your making or is it verbally expressing your own thoughts? I think dictionaries go with the latter but here’s what Wiki says:

Free speech
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

In comparison

Hate speech (Wiki)
Hate speech is a legal term with varied meaning. It has no single, consistent definition. It is defined by the Cambridge Dictionary as "public speech that expresses hate or encourages violence towards a person or group based on something such as race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation".[1] The Encyclopedia of the American Constitution states that hate speech is "usually thought to include communications of animosity or disparagement of an individual or a group on account of a group characteristic such as race, color, national origin, sex, disability, religion, or sexual orientation".[2] There is no single definition of what constitutes "hate" or "disparagement". Legal definitions of hate speech vary from country to country.
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I suspect religion in a speech is immune from being classified as free or hate. I suppose freedom of religion is the reason.
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Syne Offline
Expressing religion or hate are equally protected freedoms... at least in the US.

And every country already has laws against outright threats or inciting violence. Trying to broaden those to include non-threatening speech is authoritarian.
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confused2 Offline
Something very odd about Scotland.
From the Scottish Herald
Quote: Glasgow, the headlines kept saying, was the “murder capital of Europe”.
Two decades or so ago the city routinely came close to the top of the continent’s league tables for homicide. So too did Scotland.
This is the link to the quote but be aware the Scottish Herald is very aggressive with its advertising -
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/2406...tically--/

The Scottish government isn't in any sort of competition to create the worst (most violent) country in Europe - they would like it to be 'nice'.
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