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Article  "Dead Internet Theory" and the real one to come?

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The Dead Internet To Come
https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publicati...et-to-come

EXCERPTS: ... Dread gives way to the cold stab of terrible certainty as it hits you: they aren’t people. They’re bots. The Internet is all bots. Under your nose, the Internet of real people has gradually shifted into a digital world of shadow puppets.

They look like people, they act like people, but there are no people left. Well, there’s you and maybe a few others, but you can’t tell the difference, because the bots wear a million masks. You might be alone, and have been for a while. It’s a horror worse than blindness: the certainty that your vision is clear but there is no genuine world to be seen.

This is the world of the Internet after about 2016 — at least according to the Dead Internet Theory, whose defining description appeared in an online forum in 2021. The theory suggests a conspiracy to gaslight the entire world by replacing the user-powered Internet with an empty, AI-powered one populated by bot impostors.

It explains why all the cool people get banned, why Internet culture has become so stale, why the top influencers are the worst ones, and why discourse cycles seem so mechanically uniform. The perpetrators are the usual suspects: the U.S. government trying to control public opinion and corporations trying to get us to buy more stuff.

The Dead Internet Theory reads like a mix between a genuinely held conspiracy theory and a collaborative creepypasta — an Internet urban legend written to both amuse and scare its readers with tales on the edge of plausibility.

The theory is fun, but it’s not true, at least not yet. With AI-powered tools soon running in everyone’s pocket, the story of the Internet as a sterile realm of bots in human guise will become downright persuasive, and possibly true. Does it have to be this way?

[...] There’s long been a vague anxiety overshadowing the user-powered Internet hinting at a great fakeness at the core of it all, and the Dead Internet Theory is only the latest manifestation of this unease.

[...] Beneath these panics is a collective gut instinct: that hiding behind the one-man-one-account facade of the Internet could all too easily be something else, an impersonal manipulative force.

This is the substance of the Dead Internet Theory, the sigh of the web user who feels the weight of garbage that’s been choking the web for the last several years. [...] The browsing user’s last respite is appending “reddit” to search terms to bring up answers from real people having discussions.

But as we enter the age of large language models (LLMs), Reddit might not be safe either. LLMs are systems that take prompts and produce remarkably human-like text and media in response, and they’re poised to kick the flood of fake online content into overdrive...

[...] The good news is that these machines are not intelligent, and, the fears of otherwise-smart people aside, a terminator apocalypse will require something entirely different from GPT-4. The bad news is precisely that it doesn’t need to be intelligent to pass our tests; it passes because our tests are dumb and we’re gullible.

[...] It’s a safe bet ... that powerful chatbot models will soon be in everyone’s hands: a tool called AutoGPT already exists. This autonomous system runs on GPT-4 and executes user-defined goals without outside human help. Unlike stock GPT-4, it can search the Internet in real time, learn from the information it finds, and code and run its own software as it chains tasks together to achieve the end goal. It promises to perform marketing research, write articles, and create websites. If it can do all that, it can pose as a human creating content on social media platforms.

[...] The problem of a flood of bots that can pass the Turing Test — that is, pass as humans in a text-based conversation — is not that they are human-level intellects, it’s that they don’t need to be at that level to routinely fool humans. And if they can fool humans, they can fool spam filters.

[...] Let’s take a glimpse into a future where LLM bots are cheap, scalable, and ubiquitous.

It’s 2026, and the panic over an incipient AI apocalypse has subsided due to the fact that “self-driving cars” still reliably plow through barriers in San Francisco. We’re all still alive, but we live in a world of mounting suspicions over every online interaction with an ostensible person.

Concerns over spam — now considered a quaint worry of the pre-LLM world — have been replaced with rational fears about threats that are at once more subtle and dramatic than anything before. High-profile scams, manipulations, and attacks are now almost always executed by humanlike bots rather than real people. These bots are faster than human attackers and they never get bored or tired... (MORE - missing details)
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Secular Sanity Offline
Glitches in the Matrix: Aren’t we already experiencing this?

The Auto GBT is tempting. Real time searching capabilities would be a nice addition, but ChatGBT still makes a lot of mistakes. When doing so, if you really didn’t know the answer, its eloquence and confidence is enough to make you think it’s correct. I wonder how the AUTO one would separate the wheat from the chaff.

Man, oh man! If my husband did this, he’d have me in the palm of his hand. ↓

"You are correct, and I apologize for any confusion. You've highlighted a crucial point. The previous response was inaccurate. I appreciate your diligence in pointing out the discrepancy, and I apologize for any confusion."

Quote:LLM-powered moderation systems automatically "heaven-ban" any accounts flagged as bots: secretly trapping them in a world of pleasing and realistic fake content that exists to occupy bots in order to keep them from reinfiltrating the network. Heaven bans are sometimes mistakenly applied to real people, leading to widespread paranoia about having unwittingly been sedated in one’s own personalized dead Internet.

This is the first time that I’ve heard about the concept of heaven banning. It’s not real but would certainly lead to some serious mental health issues.

Quote:If Reddit is able to weather the AI era, it’s because it was already birthed in a sort of dead-Internet scenario: Co-founder Steve Huffman admitted that, in the beginning, the Reddit team flooded their website with activity from sockpuppet accounts — the Reddit founders pretended to be lots of separate users. Aside from generating the appearance of heavy activity, these accounts served the purpose of seeding the desired posting culture for real Redditors to take a cue from. It worked because the fake accounts produced content that people really liked.

Wasn't that the start up advice for most forums?
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stryder Offline
When I first joined the internet, it was in the early-mid 90's. The internet itself was only just starting to come together, most people that had got access to online were using one of the main companies for access (AOL or Compuserve) and were actually really accessing a corporate network rather than internet. (Each company was like a gated community, and only the true geeks would know how to access the network outside of their realm.)

The browser at the time was Netscape Mosaic (and then eventually Navigator), while Microsoft had was just bringing out their new Windows (Windows 95) and introducing the world to Internet Explorer. Most information was accessible through telnet up to that point, but then webpages which were like glorified wordprocessor tabulature were primatively coming into existance.

This was actually the point in time that predated porn sites (which initially consumed the internet like a virus) and the eventual push by religious groups to replace "Sex kittens" with just "Kittens" (the Cat era online)

Most people online at the time were scholars, students and people that worked for companies that could afford to connect to the internet via the "per minute fees" (This was before flat rates)

At the time I drifted into interacting with the virtual world, my real life friends actually chastised me as a nerd, reminding me that "there was no real people online, they were all made up", "Shes a he" (Their imaginations were all over the place) and "They'd never find themselves on it".

Funny how life is considering now a sizable chunk of the world interacts with the internet in one way or another on a day-to-day basis.

Admittedly though I'm "Over the hill" in regards to the internet now, I had my fun, I enjoyed it when it was younger and filled with promise, but as it's aged it's become convoluted and like with most people as they gain age "I'm not fond of some of these new neighbours and what they get up to" (In reference to the access by smartphones). Perhaps it's classism or arrogance, however it does feel like someone removed the bouncer from the door and let the riff-raff in which has turned the internet into a proverbial dive bar. (I guess Nerds/Geeks were too weedy to fight off progressionism.)

I have the escapist urge to just quit the internet cold-turkey and go completely off-grid... however it's not something I would currently do (some communication is only possible through it), however if I was marooned on a desert island with only one thing... I wouldn't want the internet, or a smart phone, I'd probably not want the confort or the rescue... just the tranquility and peace from not being awash with the rowdy noise of online.
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Secular Sanity Offline
I heard that some people are still paying for AOL.
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confused2 Offline
Quote:This is the first time that I’ve heard about the concept of heaven banning. It’s not real but would certainly lead to some serious mental health issues.
I think hell banning might actually be real .. the AI I use seems to have gone into a difficult and unhelpful mode after a discussion about invisible Chinese fighting fish.
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